Another post on Andrew Sullivan's blog gets it right, here.

The best bits: "That said, we are not trying to punish anyone, and we are aware that Mrs. Clinton is profoundly, if irrationally, divisive. What's worse for many of us is that she is a bit of a centrist, especially on issues of foreign policy. Most of us really wish there were more there there to Mr. Obama . . . in that he doesn't seem to provide much leadership when it comes to his colleagues; he doesn't appear effective. He never votes or takes a stand when it counts, and how many initiatives has he taken. Say what you will about Mrs. Clinton, she does seem effective, and maybe that's what scares the bejesus out of all you right wing ideologues."
And more about Obama:
"what we want to see is real world leadership, hands on, and so far he's been second best at best to just about everyone else running."
And finally:
"The real key to understanding the difference between Republicans and Democrats is in their reactions to the previous two Presidents.... Bill Clinton ... played fast and loose with the truth, and his personal approach to life. Democrats hate what George Bush has done to the country. There's a real difference, and Republicans as well as so-called (conservative) independents, project their feelings about the Clintons on ours about George Bush." (Bolding added.)

Profound thought of the day

From conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan

Here

"If you can make the leap to seeing gay people as the equal of straight people, then encouraging their marriages to one another is arguably one of the most socially conservative measures now subject to national debate."(His emphasis.)

To how many things does this sign apply?

George Bush, the republican party in general, reality TV and the Writers Guild strike...

(....and a side note as I begin this blog, notice that I said "the republican party in general" not "conservatives in general." There are many good conservatives and I'm not as far from their set of values as you might guess. I just don't think the republican party holds conservative values anymore.)

Romney the barbarian

Giuliani gives a nicely nuanced answer about letting the children of illegal immigrants go to school and Romney reveals his inner barabarian (he doesn't think THE CHILDREN should be allowed to go to school, or that illegal immigrants should be allowed to report criminal activity). Giuliani got some heat for suggesting that Romney should have known a firm he hired employed illegal immigrants, but that was not Giuliani's point. His point was merely to make Romney, who was trying to appear holier than thou on the issue, realize its not that simple. (Admittedly Romney doesn't appear all that bad in this particular clip, but over the course of the debate Romney seemed to be competing for the bragging rights to the "I'll be the meanest president" competition.) And one republican points out that "immigrants are a boon, not a curse." 

Giuliani lies about prostate cancer survival rates in England.